The Other Way

050: Antoinette Chirinos on the Intersection of Spirituality and Plant Medicine

October 03, 2023 Kasia Stiggelbout Season 1 Episode 50
The Other Way
050: Antoinette Chirinos on the Intersection of Spirituality and Plant Medicine
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Ever wondered if the cure to your health woes could be found in nature? Get ready for an enriching exploration into the spiritual essence of plant medicine with the incredibly knowledgeable Antoinette Chirinos. Raised in Peru amidst traditional healers, Antoinette brings a fascinating blend of wisdom on the power of plants, the role of shamans, and the intricacies of harvesting. We take a hard look at the potential risks of overusing psychedelic plant medicines and question the impact of a consumerist mindset on this ancient practice.

Antoinette also opens up about her personal struggle with health issues, and how she trusted her intuition to triumph without resorting to surgery. We discuss the significance of treating root causes rather than symptoms and the empowerment that comes from taking control of your own healing journey. This leads us to delve deeper into the role of plant medicine in healing, the importance of doing the internal work, and the caution needed to avoid overusing plant medicine ceremonies. Tune in to discover the potential plant medicine holds for your journey to wellbeing, and learn to respect its sacred nature.

Core themes:

  1. Exploring Plant Medicine: A journey into the world of plant medicine and its spiritual essence.
  2. Traditional Wisdom: Antoinette's background growing up among traditional healers in Peru.
  3. The Power of Plants: Insights into the healing potential of plants and their significance.
  4. Shamans and Healing: Understanding the role of shamans in traditional healing practices.
  5. Harvesting Rituals: Delving into the intricacies of harvesting plants for medicinal use.
  6. Risks of Overuse: Examining the potential dangers of excessive use of psychedelic plant medicines.
  7. Consumerist Mindset: Questioning how consumerism impacts the ancient practice of plant medicine.
  8. Personal Healing Journey: Antoinette's personal struggle with health issues and her intuitive triumph.
  9. Root Cause Healing: The importance of addressing root causes of health problems.
  10. Sacred Nature of Plant Medicine: Respecting the sacredness of plant medicine and its role in wellbeing.


To connect with Antoinette:

  • https://www.instagram.com/antoinnettecm/
  • https://www.tiktok.com/@antoinnettecm
  • https://www.antoinnettechirinos.com/

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Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome to Nourish. My name is Kasia and I'm an entrepreneur, a longtime meditator and a student of Chinese medicine. My mission with this podcast is to share the tools and practices to help you integrate your whole self into every aspect of your world. As someone who is both a Taipei high achiever and a deeply spiritual, vulnerable and empathetic being, I know firsthand how it feels to be living a double life showing up one way at work a different way alone and struggling to reconcile the two. This disintegration of authenticity is one of the biggest causes of burnout, health flares and anxiety. For me, understanding how the mind-body connection is crucial to health and success, cultivating a strong sense of inner self and applying the healing philosophies of Chinese medicine and Zen Buddhism to my life has allowed me to lead from a completely heart-powered place, letting go of other people's judgments and finding peace in allowing my multi-dimensional being to shine. My hope is that this podcast may inspire you to do the same. I want to call out. It is a practice, it is a journey, but I believe it is the most important thing that we can do for our bodies, minds and our ultimate potential. Enjoy, hello everyone. Welcome back to the pod.

Speaker 1:

I'm your host, kasia, and today I have a incredible, incredible guest for you all. I am welcoming Antoinette Chirinos to the podcast. Antoinette was born and raised in Peru in a household where her grandfather made home remedies with native herbs and fruits, while her grandmother practiced energy healing. Antoinette is a healer. She's one that integrates plant medicine, kundalini, reiki crystals and more into her practice. But today we are going to be diving deep into a very specific topic, and that is plant medicine. We're going to be diving into everything from native herbs as healers through to ayahuasca, and we talk about the process of healing, how integration is as important, and if not more important, than the ceremony itself. Antoinette shares her perspective on the spiritual essence of plants and ceremony from the point of view of her experiences in her own home country of Peru. And then, finally, we dig into what may be a controversial topic, and that is that A not everyone will benefit from all plant medicines, including ayahuasca. And B, that psychedelic plant medicines can be overdone, and that's both from a physical and spiritual point of view. And then, finally, C, we're going to be talking about the fact that it's not just set and setting that matters, but how the plant was harvested, when it was harvested and the intentions of the shaman themselves.

Speaker 1:

In a time where psychedelic medicine is truly what feels like the latest trend, we're experiencing a popularity spike that resembles some sort of a stock market craze, and I use that term specifically because there's an essence of traditional consumerism that at least I am witnessing as we approach plant medicine. And, antoinette and I really question what does it look like in terms of benefit and potential harm when we apply the traditional consumerist mindset of plants as medicine in America? Let's go, and, antoinette, welcome to the pod. Thank you for having me. It is such an honor and we have so much to cover. I mentioned right before we got started that when I first met you and we had our first kind of introductory call to get together and talk about a completely unrelated topic, as soon as I recognized that, oh my gosh, you would be such an incredible guest for the podcast and you agreed I had to stop the conversation because I wanted to kind of experience all of your perspectives for the first time. So here we are Finally there's some buildup.

Speaker 2:

I'm excited to be here too. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1:

It's totally, totally my honor. So, before we dive into all of the questions of which there are quite a bit, and I want to also really explore your background and your perspective, which is so unique I want to start with a question that I ask every guest, and that is what are three words that you would use to describe yourself?

Speaker 2:

I would say dedicated, driven and authentic.

Speaker 1:

I've never asked this before, but how do those questions kind of land for you? Because I know it's a very Western cultural thing perhaps to ask. Well, you know, when you ask who are you, it's always what you do, and so that's kind of actually why I wanted to start off with a question that in some ways goes deeper, because it describes your perspective or, I guess, the way that you reflect who you are. You're from Peru originally, right? Yes, the question of how would you describe yourself, or who are you, is that even a common question there, or is it completely different when you meet somebody new?

Speaker 2:

No, it's not a common question. It's something that I've learned, that is being asked to me before here in the past. But you come to a different culture, you adapt to the culture, you kind of follow the energy and flow with it.

Speaker 1:

That resonates so deeply. I'm Polish originally and in Poland it's not as common either. Like, not every conversation starts with that, and I love that. You, one of the words that you shared is authenticity, because I think that for a lot of people, when there isn't kind of a deeper meaning in life or something that you're living for, all too often we can become so tied to what we do is who we are, and so I think that when we talk about authenticity, it can be sometimes helpful to recognize that that's not the default everywhere and that in other places you can introduce yourself not just based on what you do Now.

Speaker 1:

With that being said, you do do a lot of incredible, incredible things, and I found it fascinating when you submitted kind of your your bio, that you mentioned that it was really hard to define exactly the type of healing work that you do. But you are a healer and you integrate plant medicine, kundalini, reiki crystals and more into your practice. But, as we already started to mention, you also come from Peru. You were born there to grandparents that really fostered your gifts and shared their own. You kind of shared a story of how grandpa was making home remedies with native herbs and fruits and grandma practiced energy healing, and so I would love for you to share with us, as somebody who has tapped into those gifts for yourself. What was that journey like? Were you just born and you trusted them and they flourished from there? Or was it kind of a evolution?

Speaker 2:

So before I answer that, I just want to make sure I do practice energy healing, but at the end of the day you are your own healer and you are the medicine. I hold sacred space for you and I will make sure that I work by your side, but you do have to do the work yourself. I just wanted to put that out there because I don't want to have that perception that, oh, I heal you. You know, come see me and you'll be healed. That's not who I am.

Speaker 1:

I love that. Thank you for calling that out. I think it's so important. Thank you.

Speaker 2:

I think each of us are responsible for our health and we should be our own advocate. With my grandparents living back home in Peru, it was very natural for me and I think with everyone who lives in Peru too, it's very natural to like have your herbs, your teas, make some medicine at home with fruits, make some medicine at home with different herbs and have your grandma do a clearing of your body and breathe the energy on you and see if you feel out of balance or not. So that's very natural. And yes, when I was born, since I was little, my mom would tell me different stories about how I'll pick up on energy. And as I was growing up, you know, my dreams became more vivid and I will be able to pick up on energy of different people just by touching them.

Speaker 2:

And sometimes in a conversation they'll talk about something and I'll see an image of the subject that they were talking about. So I pick up on energy of the subject to as the person was talking to me. So that's kind of like how it happened parallel to my regular life. It's very common and very natural to just come home and say you know, I feel really heavy, can you do a clearing on me, or like I don't feel when my throat is hurting, and go to the garden and make a tea with that. So very normal, very natural. It's something that is very powerful to be connected with Mother Earth, to be connected with your own gifts and work with them and try to bring your body, your mind, soul, back to balance.

Speaker 1:

It's interesting because you are mentioning two examples, like the physical body and like a energetic state, where perhaps you come home and you feel heavy or you feel dark or, I don't know, fearful, and I'm curious from your perspective are those connected, like the physical state and the energetic state? And, if so, does it require to to find healing or to create space for others to heal themselves? Do you need to decouple them or are they kind of entangled together from your point of view?

Speaker 2:

I feel like they're together. I feel like if you believe in the medicine from here and the medicine from other cultures, you can do treatments together at the same time. You know, like in Peru, you go see a doctor. If you can like bring yourself back to balance with everything that you've been working on, like your home remedies and stuff, you go see a doctor. And if the doctor say you need surgery, you know it depends on how the person is feeling at the time they'll move forward or not. But yes, I feel like it's your emotional body out here, you know, and things start like getting into it and then they penetrate to the physical body and then we start like developing certain elements.

Speaker 1:

So there's almost like a progression that can be possible. I mean, some of it might start it sounds like from the physical body, like obviously like a bone break or some sort of an infection, but some of it can be an energetic and then translate to physical ailments.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, and it can be genetics too. You can, you know, have it from somebody else in your family. There are different reasons why we get sick. I wouldn't say it's only the emotional part and their energetic part. That can be the reason. There are different reasons. Now, how you heal that's what I was saying it depends on you. It's your own healing.

Speaker 2:

Ten years ago I had a problem with my womb and I went to see my daughter and she said I have fibroids and she recommended to remove my uterus. So I just did my own research. Of course I was panicking. I left crying tears. You know, ten years ago I was just starting to dive into these herbs even more and I took it up on me and research and did my own plant medicine at home. I got rid of I have five. I got rid of two of them. The other three shrunk and I just recently got rid of the last one. So I still have my uterus.

Speaker 2:

I didn't remove that. I was my own advocate and I did my research and I chose to do the other route. So each person is their own unique healer and I feel like, if your intuition is telling you, do have the surgery. There is no right or wrong. And I don't say don't do it. You have to do what your heart is telling you. You have to do what's going to bring you peace. Some people have a surgery and they are peaceful and they are OK with it, and that's fine.

Speaker 1:

I appreciate you sharing that. It's not about this or that. It's really. I think at the end of the day, it is an individual's personal journey. But I will also share that and I forgot who to attribute this to, so I'll look it up in the show notes.

Speaker 1:

Here in the West, like traditional Western culture really, medicine is treated as a means, like a. It's a sick system. It's fixing you when you're very sick, right, and treating a lot of the symptoms. And so I'm curious for people out there and I can attest to this in my own experience where I suffer with really bad eczema.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes it becomes full body eczema and it can be confusing. You know, is it a physiological thing? Is it a spiritual thing? It is definitely emotionally connected, but very specific emotions, like it's not just stress, but it's actually when I am going against what my gut instinct says for an extended period of time, like in a relationship that's not right for me, or in a work environment that's wrong, and I'm saying yes, when I feel resistance. That is when it starts to flare.

Speaker 1:

So it's like very specific stress, not just the overarching bucket of stress, but it can be so confusing to sort out. What is it that's triggering this right, especially for conditions unlike a broken leg, where, let's say, something like fibroids or eczema or any of the many auto immune conditions that seem to just pop out of nowhere. How do you decipher if it is something that you can heal versus not, because I think that can be such a scary journey for so many people. Do I just take the drugs or do the surgery, or do I explore something else? And what is right? What do you recommend for that process?

Speaker 2:

So each individual is very different. That's why I say you are your own healer, you have to go inwards and you have to see what decision is going to bring you peace. I cannot decide for you or I cannot say this is for a Zeman. Everyone is the same. I know for sure, when we are developing elements like that, that your body is telling you that it needs clearing, and not only the emotional clearing but also the physical clearing. So nice, natural cleans with herbs to clear your body and bring it back to an alkaline state. So that area that is usually when it's skin issues is the liver, the area that needs extra nourishment, like your liver, you know, cleans out and it doesn't get triggered. The liver, you know all these areas is like you are like kind of almost angry and like almost like very tense, I would say, and so, combined with all these emotions are coming through. You know it just triggers everything to come out and I'll explain that to you. But you are in power, you are the ones who's going to decide. And to me, you know, let's say you decide there is a surgery for you, decide to go for the surgery. That's what you think is going to heal you. Then it's probably going to be healing you because you know, because it's running through you, that intuition is running through you.

Speaker 2:

I cannot advise you. I know what I know. I've studied the organs, I study different things that are associated with an energetic body and I can tell you what herbs to take. But you are in charge, you are your own advocate, because otherwise we become narcissists. This is what it is and this is what you should do.

Speaker 2:

Now I become like one of the doctors that told me, like just remove your uterus. And when I ask her, like, why did I get them? She didn't have an answer Because I told her I don't have kids and I didn't want kids. She said you don't even need your uterus because you're not having kids. You know how devastating that was for a woman like to say that, and I can only imagine people that don't have the resources or like leave that office in fear and they just have that doctor as a hope for health. It's really sad. After that experience, I always make sure anyone who comes see me doesn't leave with fear, because I want them to leave with hope, with tools, with like oh, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to research on this.

Speaker 1:

And it's not so powerful.

Speaker 1:

Times have completely changed, because I do remember that it used to be very unusual to ask for the root causes of things, and now I think a lot of people are exploring that with their own physical ailments.

Speaker 1:

I do want to offer, if you have, any advice for people who aren't in tune with their bodies and are struggling with these things. And let's say they just went to a doctor similar to yours where they heard this is the one answer and they're like but why is this even happening? You know, for conditions that aren't acute, like a broken bone which you fell, you broke it, you know it needs to be stitched back together. They're trying to explore alternatives. What can you recommend in terms of how to get in touch with what is true for them within their intuition, and how to sort out really what path is right for them? I think that's the ultimate question, where you, of course, cannot tell them what to do, but do you have any guidance to help them figure out how to figure out what to do? What are some of the ways to explore that? So?

Speaker 2:

they get a doctor's advice, they should maybe like an air ballist advice, have like a second opinion, have somebody else from a different field, and then maybe you get somebody else in addition to those two. And between those three people that you reach out to, you know, like see what resonates better with you. What decision is going to bring you peace. How does your body feel when you say I'm going to have that surgery? Do you feel nervous? Do you feel like I don't know? It's giving me anxiety? How does the air ballast make you feel? How does this person and maybe an energy healing, you know person, a predictioner how does this path makes me feel? Answer and see what route brings you peace. Because if something is giving anxiety, it's because your intuition is telling you going a different way. And we tend to like disregard a lot and, trust me, there are so many times that I've done that and then I go back and think about it. I'm like, no, I know my intuition is telling me this, I'm going to go that way and I don't question it.

Speaker 2:

There is a saying that my partner uses a lot here to he went away, he'll come back to me, but it is regarding give the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2:

That's what he says sometimes. You know, give the benefit of the doubt, and I've done that two times and the two times I did that it went really bad. So give the benefit of the doubt is you telling your intuition? I'm not listening to you, because if I meet somebody and there is an ease or something else like that with me, I'm not going to be mean to the person, but that is just my intuition telling me there is something off with this person's energy. So if I give the benefit of the doubt in this situation, in this person, I'm going against my energy. So I don't pay attention to that saying anymore. My partner uses it a lot. He just doesn't align with me. I think the person who created this phrase was very like head-minded, like thought a lot and analyzed a lot and it's just like fill with your heart, make the decisions with your heart and then you tell your mind how to act. You say that's a tool.

Speaker 1:

One of the things I noticed that you mentioned is you talked a bit about flower essences, and I think that actually shifts very well to a question that I would love to ask you about, and that is plant medicine. It is all the rage right now. Everyone's talking about plant medicine, and I also think it's important to recognize that when we talk about plant medicine here in the Western context, it's referring to psilocybin, ayahuasca, all these journeys, and I would love to get your thoughts as somebody who is native to Peru and also a healer, frankly, that works with all sorts of different plants. What is your perspective on this pull to using plant medicine as a means to heal?

Speaker 2:

Well, I feel like you don't need to do ayahuasca first of all to be healed by a plant. You can start with nourishing herbs, Herbs that are so accessible nettles, dandelion, red clover, all these beautiful nourishing herbs that they are grounding, they start working on your root. I feel like plant medicine is very important, but you can meditate with all the plants. All the plants have the spirits, All the plants have consciousness and they are here to help you out each of them. Do you encounter a plant? For a reason? They show up in your life for a reason. You might be needing healing from this plant.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, ayahuasca is great, Ayahuasca is powerful, but again, you don't get healing one session. You have to do a few things and you have to do the internal work. If you go out there, let's say, because you have PTSD, okay, but then you have to integrate the medicine. You have to go through your own journey. The plant is there to let you know what is needed, to be healing you and be with you through your journey, but the plant is not going to do the healing for you. At the end, you are your medicine, you are the healer.

Speaker 1:

That is so powerful. You mentioned the fact that it's not going to happen overnight, and I'm curious what are your thoughts on? Is the answer then? Maybe there is no right answer, but I'd love to know your perspective. What are your thoughts on continuing to do ayahuasca ceremonies, because I think that's also a trend. Right, I hate to call it a trend, but it is because a lot of people are preaching it. I've been kind of recommended it so many times in my own life. Transparency I've never actually done ayahuasca, but I have tried psilocybin. I'm just wondering, when it comes to the healing, you mentioned that the internal work is so crucial. Is the answer to do more ceremonies, more plant medicine, or is the plant the introduction and the work is actually done outside of the ceremony, or a combination? I'm curious what your perspective is on that.

Speaker 2:

I was saying, each journey is unique, but I do believe that if you want a half on the ayahuasca experience and you want to get perhaps your foot in the door for your healing journey, go ahead, have that. But you don't need to do three, four, five ceremonies. It's a lot. You have to be mentally prepared. You have to be in a good space because otherwise you have bad experiences. You have to find the right shaman, the space. You have to make sure that the plant was harvested when it was supposed to be harvested. The plant was honored.

Speaker 2:

There are a lot of things that come to create this ceremony and you go with your open heart. You do that one ceremony and you're like, okay, I feel better, you don't need to go back. You go and integrate that medicine. You go and do the work. The plant energies with you. You can reach to her in your heart. You sit for a moment. What led you to the plant in the beginning with? Maybe you were meditating, maybe you were going too fast, maybe you had an accident and you just want to calm your nerves? Okay, but now it's your turn as the plant chasing your heart, as the plant was next. The plant will guide you and it might even tell you you know you need to do this or you need to do that, or it's sometimes our visions or sometimes the feeling, but I don't believe going back to get more. It's like getting a pill from the doctor and because it doesn't work, you get a higher dosage. You know it's like that's not the answer and the pill of the doctor is going to have side effects. The same with this.

Speaker 2:

You know, again, if you are not in a good space, you are not grounded enough to receive this medicine and you continue to do it, you become like what's the word I'm looking for? Like kind of crazy. I don't know the right term. You know you start like seeing things. When you're like, say, I'm having a conversation with you and I'm seeing things and I believe the thing is here and I'm talking to the entity while I'm talking, you're going to think like what's wrong with her If I see it and I'm having a conversation with you at this moment, I'm going to acknowledge it.

Speaker 2:

But I'm going to continue my conversation as I'll talk to you later, because I know I'm grounded and I know I'm having a podcast. But if I'm not grounded enough and I'm seeing this and talking to the three of you doesn't make sense, right? It's kind of like that. You have to be in a good space. Don't ask for another ceremony if you haven't done the work. Don't ask for an extra dosage to your doctor if the medicine is not working. Your body is telling you something. Your mind, your soul is telling you something.

Speaker 1:

I'm so happy that you mentioned that, because I think I was listening to a podcast with Khalil Rafati. I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's the founder of Sun Life Organics an incredible story. He wrote the book I Forgot to Die and he's an ex-heroin addict. It was the first time. I think one other podcast that I've listened to in the past has spoken to this, which is the risk of overusing psychedelic compounds.

Speaker 1:

I think just you have finally summarized it so beautifully from the perspective of healing. If your intention is healing and you're doing it over and over and over again to heal more, to heal more it is just no different at that point than taking a drug. I think it's important to witness that everything has positive benefits but can also have negative side effects, like everything in moderation. This is still something that is affecting your state. Do you have any thoughts? From an energetic standpoint? You mentioned the term being ungrounded. If people are perhaps overdoing it or continuing to go back, what are some of the things that can happen from an energetic point of view, or what you maybe? Have you witnessed anything like this?

Speaker 2:

Well, I have witnessed this stuff Also. I just wanted to say the plants are here to bring us back to balance. The plants are not here for us to take them every the rest of our life. You can enjoy a nice cup of tea at home. Maybe you feel like, oh, I need extra love in my heart and you drink your roast tea. But the plants you're not supposed to be taking them for the rest of your life. To continue healing, you want to bring yourself back to harmony. I don't take the same herbs that I used to take to get rid of my fibroids anymore. I'm okay with it. I'm done with my womb healing. Now I'm enjoying my cup of tea and meditating with tea, but I'm not going back to the same. There is no more to heal. That's what this is about the journey of healing. You get to harmony and that's good.

Speaker 2:

I've seen people that overdo what they do and they're psychotic. I saw something really sad with a person that I know, and she wasn't really psychotic. She had to be entering one of those places where they tie you with it because she overdid it. She was so ungrounded and no center and knowing that what she was seeing was a vision that she was living and she was telling me these stories. I'm like I don't think you're listening to me at this moment. I think you didn't really need to ground. It was really sad and they had to, like put her in the hospital. It was just overdoing it, thinking that that was the answer. And the answer is not there. The answer is here. The answer is here.

Speaker 2:

You know your nervous system will tell you the anxiety that you get, the bad feeling that you get. Honor that if your body doesn't feel well lay down, you don't have to, like go to work holding sick. Trust me, there is a reason why. Even like when you're a delay for something, the universe is protecting you. Maybe there was an accident like two minutes before that and it's protecting you. That's why you're a delay. Honor everything that you receive. You know you just go out there and you just keep doing and keep doing and keep doing. Your mind has a limit too. You might stop realizing what's real and what's not. You need to know the difference. You need to know there's different planes. Yeah, acknowledge that, but you're living in this plane.

Speaker 1:

It's also incredible because and I'll go back to what you had said, not completely paraphrasing, but you essentially mentioned like the plant lives within you.

Speaker 1:

It is not about, like, the overconsumption of the plant at this point, right, and it's not about consuming the plant forever.

Speaker 1:

And the irony is, I think, that a lot of people who do consume these plants experience this greater connection to nature, to earth, and it's so beautiful and so magnificent when you're in it. But the constant consumption of it and you talked about the importance of how the plant was harvested, who had harvested it, the intention behind it, all of those being factors that are so important. And I think that there's and this word is coming to me like this awareness of the over-consumerism of the plant medicine. It's just so important to be aware of our, I think, innate habit and desire and addictive kind of seeking of that same high that you speak to so beautifully, like how to view it differently and how to honor it. And because if you just continue to consume and consume and consume this, there's the risk of, as you said, becoming ungrounded. But fundamentally, that's not in harmony with nature at all, it's just feeding another experience of some sort of a high that is disconnecting you at that point right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, 100%. Honoring the plant is not about like overconsuming the plant. Honoring the plant is about you burning your bundle of white sage, one leaf at a time. You connect with the spirit of white sage that way. You don't need to burn a whole bundle when this plant is overharvest. You grow your own white sage at home. You burn one leaf at a time. That's how you honor. You don't take flowers from the reserve area when you go on a hike. You let them grow. You tend a little area. You water the area if you want. Honor it when you're buying a staff from other people or attending a staff or ceremonies.

Speaker 2:

Where is this stuff coming from? Maybe a little bit more research when it comes to these details. Where are you getting your herbs from? Are they harvesting? In the time of harvesting, it is very, very important to know where the medicine is coming from. It is very important to you.

Speaker 2:

I talk to my plants every day. I tend to them. I'm not saying I'm better because of that. No, I do it because I have such a connection with each of my plants. They give me the medicine. When I make teas for ceremonies, I pray to them. I ask them may the people that receive your medicine, receive the medicine that they need. May you support them in their healing journey Things like that. I introduce people to different plants that are accessible here Nettles, nettles crossing your garden, grounding, nourishing, full of minerals, vitamins. You sit down, you meditate and you have these beautiful visions and sometimes this feeling of caring People telling me I feel like my grandma was around me after meditating with nettles, because it's a nourishing herb. The nourishing herbs are like grandpa medicine your grandma and your grandpa surrounding you.

Speaker 1:

So beautiful. Oh my gosh, I have a garden and I have so many nettles. I feel like I had this moment where I was like, wow, okay, they're definitely calling to me, they're surrounding me, literally.

Speaker 2:

Nettles is beautiful. It's like nourishing for your kidneys, your adrenals we get them so tired. Your liver, very beautiful, full of vitamins. You can make like a hairspray. It's good for the hair, good for the nails. You can make a nice pesto if you want to eat it. It's where it gloves when you harvest, because she likes to pinch.

Speaker 1:

Oh, my gosh, antoinette, this was such a nourishing conversation really. I could speak with you for hours. We are actually over time, I apologize. So if you could just share with folks anything exciting that you have coming up, and I will link everything below, feel free to share whatever it is that's true for you and coming up in your world.

Speaker 2:

Sure, I have a monthly story money that I do during the new moon. It takes place at Traylogy. If you're in San Diego, you know the studio. Otherwise, I have my program, earth Magic Immersion, where I teach how to connect with spirit. No, I don't teach, I don't remind you how to talk to the spirit of the plan, how to create your own medicine. That starts in October. Otherwise, you can reach out to do one-on-one sessions with me.

Speaker 1:

And I will link your website and your contact information below folks if you'd like to check that out, antoinette. Thank you so so much for joining me today.

Speaker 2:

Thank you for having me. It was great talking about plans. I love it.

Speaker 1:

We can keep going. Thanks everyone, Take care. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of Nourish. If you enjoyed this conversation, please leave a review. Five Star Reviews helped the podcast grow and I'm so grateful for that. I publish new episodes twice a month, so hit the subscribe button to be notified and, if you want to stay connected in between episodes, join my community on Instagram and TikTok at nourish underscore podcast. All right, that's all I got for you today. See you next time.

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